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August 20, 2009

Hal Turner Case Supports Suspicions

Daniel 7:21 -- "I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;"

I just wrote how all this chaos that's erupting across the country in regards to Health Care (and around the world in regards to other issues of concern) is precisely what the dark forces of this world want to see happen.

We recalled that establishing a New World Order under the "Order Out of Chaos" belief system is what's in play today, and it is that which proves we're so very close to the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week.

Have any of you been keeping up with
the Hal Turner case? If not, an important bit of information was revealed today that should add quite a bit to our understanding of what's really going on here. No, by citing Daniel 7:21 I'm not implying that the person who is admittedly a White Supremacist is a "saint" by any means, but keep reading and you'll know why I chose to include that verse here.

Turner's Attorney said that the FBI trained Turner in how to incite others! Apparently, Turner had worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," Defense Attorney Michael Orozco said.

"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.

As stunning as this admission was it gets better (or worse I guess depending on your perspective) as Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations. Well, there you have it folks. We've come full circle now, haven't we?

It certainly makes you wonder about guys like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, doesn't it? These days, whenever I listen to them, even though they speak a lot of truth in exposing right from wrong and the hypocrisy that dominates the media and politics, at the end of the day they're also influential and powerful personalities themselves. Could they be "insiders"? Corporate shills if you will? It's plausible. I think back to how Rush never said a single word about the Obama Birth Certificate controversy in the Fall and lead up to the Election. Then, once it became really hot again a few weeks ago I caught him talking about it quite a bit. Of course, Beck's "expose" of the FEMA Camps was tongue-in-cheek too. He acknowledged their existence, but didn't go all the way preferring instead to just put the idea out there and then mock the concept that they'll be used against us one day ever so slightly.

What about guys like Alex Jones too? And dare I throw Steve Quayle's name into the mix as well? I'm just thinking out loud here is all. I'm sure some of you think I'm an "agent provocateur" too. HA!

I don't know, but this is just more proof to me that EVERYONE in the corporate, mainstream, "big" media conglomerate has to be taken with serious discernment no matter how often they tell us they're for the people and on our side.

What an amazing story to come out on Tuesday. It's coming folks. Persecution on a mass scale because anyone who is an decent, honest, hard-working citizen striving to uphold the truth and what's good in this world will be labeled a "Right Wing Extremist" in this country.

As Dave Welch of WorldNetDaily recently wrote, "We have no idea in America what persecution is. Yes, we are closer than we have ever been to opening the doors for true persecution, but we have not even begun to see what it looks like."

RECOMMENDED READING:
No Bail For Blogger Accused Of Threatening Judges
The Watershed Moment?
Making War With The Saints
Persecution Perilously Close

20 Comments:

Anonymous said...

In the mean time, Doctor Gets only 10 Months For Helping 100s of (Muslim) Aliens Fraudulently Get Citizenship
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

or 9/11 Truthers Lament Bob Novak: First to Call Terrorist Attacks “an Inside Job”, Claimed Israel Behind Attacks
But, hey, this Truther–the father of 9/11 Trutherism–is a conservative. So that means he’s great and never was a truther, right?
By Debbie Schlussel

As I remarked yesterday, it’s really disgusting–the hypocrisy of so many conservatives, whitewashing the late Robert Novak, completely ignoring his pro-HAMAS, pro-PLO, anti-Semitic rantings and ravings. The entire conservative blogosphere is rampant with it, and with that they’ve written an epitaph for their ability to ever again criticize a liberal who expresses those same anti-Semitic, pro-HAMAS ravings. Yes, they are hypocrites. And shameless.

Since they’re lying to you about Novak and whitewashing the complete picture, what else are they hiding from you on other issues and topics?

gibby62 said...

MY PERSONAL OPINION:

Actually, I had been following this story as we do listen to Alex Jones on occasion and Steve Quayle. I have never heard Alex or Steve say that we should react in a violent manner. They do support our constitutional right to bear arms. I have heard Alex say that TPTB will burn in Hell!! I have also heard them commend others who have put themselves in harms way to get the truth out and how they themselves are in danger.

They may have been fed disinformation which they inadvertently shared with others. This is why we should have our own hotline to the Father!! Everyone is gifted in their own specific way and the Father's will is different for each and every one of us. The watchmen are to give us warning, not tell us how to overcome. We are all individually to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

As for Hal Turner, I've heard of him, but never really followed him. I guess he was the one who "broke" the story about the Amero, so one has to wonder if he was being used to track how information was disseminated (who was concerned, etc.) and to gauge reaction.

JRed said...

That's a great point to make about Steve and Alex gibby62 -- thank you.

I guess I'm just starting to see (all around me even in personal and professional life as well lately) that many people who I thought could be trusted cannot be trusted.

Perhaps this story and "admission" struck a nerve with me because of that and I merely wanted to ask if anyone else thinks we should have any reason to suspect one of the other big names in broadcasting as sharing a similar background (to some extent even if it's just the disinformation and dissent angle).

Thanks again for writing and pointing that out.

In Christ,

Jeff (JRed)

gibby62 said...

It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you!! I share your frustration. The US government has basically declared war on its citizens which is something new for all of us. It's bad enough we can't trust our MSM and get our news from alternate or foreign sources. I believe the Internet will be locked down soon and we'll lose these sources.

Perhaps the biggest lesson in all of this is to use discernment and put our trust in the only one who can't be decieved!!

Terri said...

It struck me that we need to be careful as well not to bring harm to someone's character by insinuation, especially if they profess to be a brother or sister in Christ. I haven't listened to Steve Quayle much, but sometimes I cringed at things he said or attitudes he portrayed. But when I heard him pray recently on a broadcast dedicated just to that topic, I forgave him. His heart came through, though he may be off on some stuff, like us all. We are all messed up and imperfect and see through a glass darkly. I have been too quick to judge in the past and have made mistakes that I regretted. I guess I just felt bad when I saw his name mentioned derogatorily; just something didn't seem right about it in the context of Biblical living...

Armageddon Thru To You said...

RE: "I guess I'm just starting to see (all around me even in personal and professional life as well lately) that many people who I thought could be trusted cannot be trusted."

Boy, is that true, and I don't mean the normal stuff. I mean finding out that people harbor animosity towards Christians and Christianity in general.

BTW, I'm glad you brought up the Hal Turner topic. UrbanSurvival yesterday mentioned that Turner may have been used to advance alot of the meme's we're seeing today, which I thought was interesting conjecture.

Anonymous said...

I think the Lord will reveal who are with us and who are against us-the wheat and tares.

The whole subject reminds me of Hegelian's Dialectic, or: problem, reaction, solution.

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm
Introduction: Why study Hegel?

"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)

In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Frederick Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

njartist said...

Despite the fact that I listen to Beck and Limbaugh, and tolerate Hannity, I don't trust them entirely and I prefer to keep track of the news on my own: many time I have already read what Limbaugh is reading to his audience.

gibby62 said...

His words provide a glimpse of what is happening around us....

Mat 12:35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

Mat 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

Mat 7:17 Likewise every good tree but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Mat 12:35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

Mat 12:36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

Mat 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

Luk 6:22 Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.

Luk 6:23 "Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their fathers treated the prophets.

gibby62 said...

Some more....

2Ti 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.

2Ti 3:2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,

2Ti 3:3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,

2Ti 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-

2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

2Ti 3:12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

2Ti 3:13 while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Rom 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

Rom 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

Rom 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Rom 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

Rom 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

Rom 1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Rom 1:32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

1Pe 2:16 Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God.

1Pe 3:9 Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.

Jud 1:16 These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

Jud 1:17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold.

Jud 1:18 They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires."

Jud 1:19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

Jud 1:20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

nimbus said...

"I guess I'm just starting to see (all around me even in personal and professional life as well lately) that many people who I thought could be trusted cannot be trusted."

Jeff, I know where you are coming from. It's very disappointing and yes, shocking, on a personal level. When you are a person of honor and integrity, you just assume that others are the same, but that's not always the case.

I've had to learn the hard way to carefully observe people's actions, not what they say, and to watch for the behavioral "red flags" and not sweep them under the rug. People do reveal themselves, if you let them.

And always, always, ALWAYS turn to the Lord our God, follow Him and His commandments, and walk the path of integrity, do the right thing, you'll never go wrong with that.

Anonymous said...

I have to say after years of "watching" this stuff, one does begin to read between the lines and with the Lord's help, we are better able to discern what is real information and what is "disinformation". I do have to say that I would be more apt to believe that Steve Quayle would be more misled sometimes than a shill for the NWO. As he has professed his Christianity too many times. As for ALex Jones, I am not so sure. I have never heard him say a word about his faith. It is my hope that all of you are praying like I am, for direction, as we are in perilous times. Something else that is very helpful right now is fasting. If you need answers now, then fast. The Lord will recognize your sacrifce and he will reward you!
In His Name,
Watcher Girl

Bruce D. Collins said...

Very Succinct Post, Jeff!


Too True.


Bruce C.

jim said...

okay, as much as I prefer not to rock the boat, it must be asked. Why, shortly after both Quayle and Jones 'speculated' it would be 90 days before martial law,and declares his site will go RED flag when all is beyond help, does Quayle suddenly, after 15 years, decide NOW is the time to open a public forum on his website? Furthermore, if Jones is such an ISSUE to the 'empire' as the claims goes, why, after 15 years is he still alive and Bill Cooper is dead. Coopers greatest fault lay in the fact that he did not accept the Divinity of Jesus,,,, but he got EVERYTHING else right, BEFORE Quayle and Jones were even heard of. AND, for all the noise Jones makes about 9/11, it was Cooper they issued the warrant for on that same fateful day. It was Cooper they gunned down. Jones is still making 'noise', attracting knee jerk reactionaries and has one heck of a commercial website. Cooper, BEFORE Ultraguy, was first to advise people NOT to react, using similiar wisdom. In addition, if you listen to both Jones and Quayle, yes they do infer it is necessary to prepare yourself to kill. Quayle himself has implored people to get trained in shooting a moving target. Yet, now, after ALL his talk, emphasizing the "time is now!" he is asking people to partake in a forum where your e-mail id must be submitted for the record?! NOW!? Why not years ago? At present, this is THE only site I have come to know where thought goes into every entry, and wisdom as well. Jeff has been guided and I pray his ego remains intact.

Petros said...

I have wondered about all of the people you mentioned. On one hand, you have the Obama-loving media calling patriotic Americans potential terrorists. On the other hand, you have mainstream guys like Beck & Limbaugh, who appeal to conservatives and evangelicals, and stirring them up. So far it has served to stir people into a frenzy, which is what I think the elitists want in the first place: piss people off by calling them names, then use the so-called media friends (like Fox News) of the Americans to say "see, America, they're out to get you!" This will ultimately lead to some sort of confrontation.

Not sure where Quayle and Jones fit into this. They find the really good info as to what the elitists plan to do (stuff the media, evangelicals and conservatives call conspiracy), which many of us find helpful. But, some of what they find can really scare the SH*T out of you unless you pray, seek God's face and realize the times in which we live. I have heard someone say Jones is a CIA guy who is being used to stir people up.

I have also heard someone question Ron Paul. Good guy, at least it seems. He has drawn a huge following with his Freedom Movement. But to what purpose? Could it be, he is drawing freedom-lovers out of the wood work and make it easier to identify these people who normally would never even get involved? Hard to say.

This is all going somewhere very soon. Calm-cool collected people I know are pissed off and talking about what is going on. Maybe that's the point. Get us to where we can't stay calm and collected, or get us unfocused. There is so much misinformation, disinformation, real information out there mixed together it makes your head spin. Ultimately I think all of it is being used to get people upset - maybe ready to fight. When this powder keg goes off, the ensuing chaos is presumably what I think the elitists want. Because out of chaos that they instigated comes their NWO.

If we dwell on it all, it can consume us. Our best response is to read it, understand it for what it is, pray and seek God's face and trust Him with the answers.

Kurt said...

I listen to Alex Jones on occasion. I know of at least a few occasions where the subject of Hal Turner came up, and he out and out called Turner an agent. This would be for at least a year now.

As to Steve Quayle, his position is an odd juxtaposition. He believes in a pre-wrath tribulation. He also seems to believe that we will fight Satan and his servants in the flesh and the Spirit.

The Apostle Paul, as far as I know, didn't know how to use a sword. Peter did, but he eventually went to the cross willingly.


The problem one encounters when embracing theology, is that he basically foresees that he will be a member of the "Tribulation Force" that he scorns Lahaye and Jenkins for writing about.
The math for his scenario (pre-wrath) does not coincide with the reality of such a scenario.

Knowing how to shoot a moving target won't change your belief system. If you're a Christian, under pre-wrath, you're dead, whether by sword or disaster. You aren't making it to the rapture.


End of story.

Anonymous said...

Hi Jeff, well i asked the Lord for the truth and boy did i recive it. i spent many,many hours yesterday reading about what we all have talked about,It started with the CLUB OF ROME article, what a eye opener. it exsplians everythin satan is planned from the very beginning,and who follows him. for those who dont know, look up" CLUB OF ROME" then The TECHNOTRONIC ERA, so unbeliavable but oh so true. the issues even spoke of fema being involved back in the 60,s, the nwo also stated everything that was to be pushed,used you have written and confirmed, using agindas of trickery of movies,entertainment, tv,sports,and focus of nwo using humanistic methods, and procressed using our jobs,money, food, water ect as reason for a all time beginning when america first started, totally goal popluation control and how to kill us all, they are all in fact followers of the devil. everything we all grew up beliving...trusting..has been a total and complete lie ! the only one we can trust is our FATHER God and his son Jesus, as the bible and the Lord word is true. once we accept the Lord he saves us from such lies,filth of this evil world. we havent had the rapture yet until the very last soul can be saved ! Time is short, i see it, feel it, things will never be the same as we knew it. our hope is now going home where we belong ! Sassy

jim said...

we all seem to be recognizing the same thing, knee jerk reactions are what the elitists want, to justify instituting martial law. Since the death of Bill Cooper I have silently watched as the propaganda has churned up more and more reactionaries. Bill warned people NOT be reactionary,saying we will know when the time comes. Furthermore, I have been advised by a now former Marine, the same advice. He makes more sense then Quayle and Jones, the trick is surviving martial law. That will take brains and common sense as well. Preparedness is essential. I am going off point here, what I wanted to bring up, is that with all of what is beginning to erupt, Cooper warned that when martial law is near enactment, the day one must be aware of is Thanksgiving. It is the one day in America when denomination is unimportant. everyone who can,heads home for that holiday. At present, I cannot imagine a more poignant day for everyone to want to be at home, with all that is hanging on a thread right now. That is the best day to kick in doors and start gathering the dissenters
who refuse to comply. It is the best day to smear those 'dissenters' for marring an American holiday. If events unfold in the next few weeks as many expect, including just one 'black swan' event, it may be a good idea to keep this info in back of your mind. Thanks-giving could be deadly, this year or next.

nimbus said...

Jim that is an important and interesting point you made. WHY IN THE WORLD, if Quayle really believed what he does, would he require people to register with full name and email address??

Kevin said...

I too have a hard time trusting limbaugh, Beck and hannity. How could they not see the NWO? Jeff I wonder if you could tell us what you think about most of the president's being related and also being related to the european rulers? I'm not sure what to think of that, which would be kind of strange. I do remember in the Book of Enoch somewhere that when Jesus reigns the rulers of the earth try to buy him off or something to that nature. I guess I need to read Enoch again.

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