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June 9, 2010

What Does God's Word Say About This?

Ladies and Gentlemen, we might want to revisit the broadcast from a few weeks back titled "Why Are Christians Embracing Sarah Palin When They Shouldn't Be?" because it's now more relevant than ever.

In case you missed it, this is the headline that's dominating the national media today:


"Republican Women Dominate Elections"



Now, keep in my that the study done over the course of that 2-hour program was not necessarily specific only to Sarah Palin, but in regards to all women who God sets up to become national leaders.

That brings up another important point that I feel I have to keep reiterating (even though it seems so straight-forward) because I keep getting the same types of comments and emails whenever I bring this topic up for serious and prayerful consideration.

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT A WOMAN'S ROLE IN SOCIETY IN GENERAL, BUT A DEBATE ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT A NATION WHEN IT HAS A WOMAN (OR WOMEN) AS ITS LEADER (LEADERS). THAT'S A KEY DISTINCTION.

Look, I already know the types of response that I'll get to this. I'll be told that I'm "narrow-minded", or a "sexist", or "wrong because of Esther and Ruth amongst others" and I understand that. Again, I'm not saying that there aren't examples in the Bible of strong women who God ordained for a specific national purpose. All I'm saying is that we need to look at things seriously -- Biblically -- and ask ourselves if we could perhaps be wrong about these women political leaders nowadays.

The bottom line is that the Bible has some pretty poignant things to say about women as national leaders, and in some places CLEARLY indicates that it COULD BE a sign of God's displeasure with and coming judgement upon a nation. That's in the very Word of God.

So, given this fact, is it POSSIBLE that we could be wrong to embrace people like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and these other women who won elections yesterday especially given all the other signs of the times that are suggesting God's displeasure and divine judgment is at hand?

Just think it through. If we already believe that the prophesied end is near, then how can we honestly say that these candidates to lead our nation are not also consistent with that coming end that's full of judgment just like we're shown in the Bible.

Yes, I could be completely wrong about this. But so could millions of Christians who are embracing and promoting such individuals, which is tantamount to them embracing and promoting God's judgment, is it not?

Again, all I'm asking is that we all seriously consider the POSSIBILITY and study God's Word for ourselves in light of everything else that's going on in the world today instead of blindly accepting such candidates for political office merely because they're "a breath of fresh air" compared to those already in the political machine in Washington DC.

The issue ALWAYS comes down to what God's Word has to say about such things. Yes, I know all about how Sarah Palin was likened to Esther during the last election cycle. That demands that we take a closer look, doesn't it?

TO REITERATE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT ALL WOMEN LEADERS ARE "BAD" NECESSARILY. ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS POINT OUT TO THE BODY OF CHRIST HOW WE MUST BE CAREFUL HERE. FAR TOO MANY WITHIN THE BODY OF CHRIST ARE SIMPLY ACCEPTING ALL OF THIS AS "NO BIG DEAL" AND A WELCOMED CHANGE IN REGARDS TO "POLITICS AS USUAL" AND THAT CONCERNS ME. WHY? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ONE OF SATAN'S GREATEST TOOLS IN THIS LIFE THAT HE USES TO DISTRACT US FROM WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS POLITICS. THE EMOTIONS THAT ARE STOKED IN RESPONSE TO ANY POLITICAL DEBATE, WHETHER DOMESTIC OR FOREIGN, CAN BLIND US TO THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON.

Look, given the spiritual convergence involving all the other end times signs, isn't it at least PLAUSIBLE to think that maybe -- just maybe -- what God's Word has to say about women as national leaders that's "negative" (as in it being a sign of coming judgment) applies in this case as opposed to the "positive" cases being the ones we should apply?

ONCE MORE FOR THE RECORD: THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT GOD'S WORD HAS TO SAY ABOUT A WOMAN'S ROLE IN SOCIETY IN GENERAL, BUT ABOUT WHAT GOD'S WORD HAS TO SAY ABOUT WOMEN WHEN HE ALLOWS THEM TO BECOME LEADERS OF A NATION TO SUIT HIS PURPOSES. THAT'S A KEY DISTINCTION.

I pray that you will take the time to listen to that RNR broadcast in its entirety, and then let me know what you think after prayerful consideration because I think you might have a different perspective afterwards.

Either way, and should we agree to disagree, God bless you my friend.

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11 Comments:

Anonymous said...

If there are no good men, God will use a woman. He will use a donkey. Where are the Godly men running for office? Should we vote for the pro-abortion democrats because they are MEN?

WORDWarriorDebKrekic said...

Washingtons foundation is not built on True Right eous judgment or justice. The foundation is faulty and not worthy of our praise(or pledge or oaths) if we are realllllly serving the true King. Adulterous Women in this wicked perverse generation=Idolatry commonly symbolized as in intercourse outside of marriage with women who serve in thetemples of idolotry.Washingtons temple is on a high hill like Romes 7 hills including Mars Hill? He sits in his temple-Apotheosis portal of counterfeit immortality declared to be god of heaven and earth.The contest is just as Elijahs days when a decision to separated must be made.What truly righteous person male or female who sees clearly that Washington is the seat of the adversary,the last adversary, which is death would even consider wanting to sit in the oval office in the Federal Triangle a clear symbol of the war in heaven on Earth? Washington has made Earth desolate just like in the garden of Eden now manifest as a city making a name of authority for itself coming in its own name where the voice of the subtil serpent, anti-christ, tree ofdeath is still heard, still lying, stealing and killing while blaspheming the saints and those in heaven.Like in Nimrods days of governing in Nineveh. Overcomers are those who will eat from the tree of Life in the midst of paradise no more going out and in.That is more reward than just being saved by faith and grace by the milk of the Word and the reason why it is so important to bee able to see Washington for who he really was/is...Washington is still lying to us all bringing death and the casting down of Truth. Death the last adversary like WASHINGTON is put under our Redeemers feet through us in whom He dwells for His habitation resides in our praise on a foundation of Judgment/Justice.The Last adversary is cast down under my feet for I have been healed by the greater works as those who see and hear. Abba has indeed manifest Himself to me in the Spirit that leads me into all truth andreveals things ahead of time to his prophets.To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.Rev2:7 Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.Rev.2:10 He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death. Rev2:11 To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him awhite stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receivesit. Rev.2:17 He who overcomes,and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations. He shall rule them with a rod of iron; they shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels - as I also have received from My Father;and I will give him the morning star. Rev. 2:26-28 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. Rev. 3:5 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. Rev. 3:12 To him who overcomes I will grant to seat with Me on Mythrone, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. Rev. 3:21
He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. Rev.21:7
And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone according to his work. Rev. 22:12 He who testifies to these things says: Surely I am coming quickly, Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our
Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. Rev. 22:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come to him and dine with him, and he with Me. Revelation 3:20

Eaten any hidden manna lately? The kindgom is within... (your Understanding is it not?)
The Little Book is sweet as honey but bitter in the belly...

Jeffrey K Radt ("JRed") said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for stopping by and for commenting, but I must respectfully ask if you even read this commentary?

I concede to your point and admitted as much in this commentary -- God has used women (and yes, a donkey) to fulfill His plans for humanity.

What you're missing is that He has used them in such a way that they were viewed POSITIVELY and in such a way that they were viewed NEGATIVELY. I'm just asking us to make sure we seek Him and His Word first to determine which one it is in these cases nowadays instead of just assuming we know.

Lastly, that comment about "pro-abortion Democrats" seems absurd. As a Christian, I never suggested (or would suggest) anything of the sort.

If that's all you got out of this piece (an exhortation for us to study the Word more than we do, more closely than we do), then I'm not sure what else I can do, or say, or write on this subject other than to pray about the whole thing.

In Christ,
Jeff ("JRed")

Anonymous said...

JRed....AS a woman and a mother, I have to say I completely agree....these types of things have to be taken into prayerful consideration. (I do think it is a sign of the times.) I am however, a little surprised at how defensive people can become when dealing with these topics. I know you tried to tread lightly on this so not to offend anyone. Just say what you have to say-- Keep up the good work and don't forget to take time rest in HIS peace. Blessings to you and yours>Faithfarm

Anonymous said...

Physical intercessors come first...
Jacob became named Israel a spiritual victory with authority and Israel became a nation of physical/spiritual people.

Washington the man became a mighty hunter and became Washington the city usurping the power and taking the authority of a/Nation in a rebuilt tower of Babel...reaching into heaven to make war...

Kingdomseeker said...

http://www.emeraldministries.com/Authority/FeminineLeadership.
I agree.
JRed here is a prophecy on the same subject.

Anonymous said...

Could we take this a little deeper?
I see all the stuff in Washington as a huge distraction to believers. Do you "believe" the LORD is coming soon? If so, why try to change anyhing in the matrix? HE says HE will remove the veil that lies over the nations. "Let him who steals continue to steal, let him who is righteous continue to be righteous', no matter what the nation looks like. Our brethren in different parts of the world have lost limb and life for the sake of the gospel and HIS name. I see this article as a distraction and a possible thing to keep up hitched up to this world.
Peace,
Dee
PS just to clarify Jeff, this in no way is a jab to you personally. There are many people who are not seeing the big picture.

Anonymous said...

Regardless, whether or not we are on the precipice of the end, nationally men have failed and there has blossomed a room for women to lead. It's not the fact that they are women, it's that the need for leaders and conservative leaders has arisen. Would you say the same thing about a person of color? Does the bible say anything about that? Men for hundreds of years have succumb to the unseen powers and principalities when being in political office and a vacuum has been created and is being filled by LEADERS and they happen to be women. JRed forget the fact that they are of another gender. You are making this fit your argument for current events.

Anonymous said...

Not all Christians are embracing Sarah Palin. I spoke to one today, so you argument is false. Are you the oldest child in your family?

Anonymous said...

a MESSAGE from the LORD! VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!! 6/8/2010

"Tell my children, The Lord said", "they are no longer to occupy themselves with perishable things, but rather, much more with the immortal, the eternal things. They are to seek me and study my word. They should forgive one another, so long as there is still time, and make peace with one another. They should stop being envious of, and pointing fingers at one another. They should neither accuse nor suspect one another. Everyone should do what he is supposed to, and can do. Tell them to free themselves of every unnecessary thing, and to stop fighting spasmodically (intermittently) for their rights. From now on, I will ensure your rights, and provide for justice for you. Great changes are about to occur all over the world, in every area of life. Adjust yourselves therefore and be prepared. Nothing is going to be as it has been before now..."

FULL MESSAGE
http://tinyurl.com/2enluph

diana said...

JR,
As a Christian woman nearing 40 and a mother of 4, I agree with you and also thank you for treading lightly here on this topic. You want people to think about it and to search the wrod of the Lord, which is what we all should be doing. Men are failing us; in the family first and now in society and government. It is a sad thing to witness. Perhaps He is using women due to this fact or as a judgement. We have seen the results of women in leadership within the church, and I must say, it is not a good thing. Men are failing in the church, women have stepped up but now what is going on in the church in America and our families? I see apostasy, confusion and the break down of the family.

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